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CyndyK2
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You can GET oxycontin?  Wow.  Hold the presses, the line forms at Dan's front door.  :)  Texas doctors must be a lot 

more decent than the rest of the country.  What do they do, shoot the government busybodies?  (Only half-kidding.)


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Cyndy


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When the going got tough here in Il with the oxy thing my dr. switched me to tramadol. Thats addicting too but I can get 2-1 mo refills. I suppose the govt. will come after that too eventually. It isn't as strong though I don't think as oxy. I know there are a lot more people with more pain than I have. I wonder what they do. Suffer I guess. I always knew they wanted to kill of us old people anyway. One way or another. Big rules on that and allow laws to go through that kills babies at full term. Glad I am going out of this world, not coming in. take care.
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When the going got tough here in Il with the oxy thing my dr. switched me to tramadol. Thats addicting too but I can get 2-1 mo refills. I suppose the govt. will come after that too eventually. It isn't as strong though I don't think as oxy. I know there are a lot more people with more pain than I have. I wonder what they do. Suffer I guess. I always knew they wanted to kill of us old people anyway. One way or another. Big rules on that and allow laws to go through that kills babies at full term. Glad I am going out of this world, not coming in. take care.
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Re:It's DAN'S topic, not mine

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I find Tramadol to be a miracle pill.  All of the desired relief without the negative or recreational side effects.  It help me to be "human".

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Hi Jackie,


 What's wrong with Tramadol? Been on it well years of up to 16 * 50mg capcells and apart from some digestive issues that are made worse when I max dose manly in winter the next day I may take none and no feel like I need to take them for anything apart from the pain issue. Maybe I am weird but honestly, I feel more needing of the patch but that's again I think that's more dreading the pain coming back full bore being without it.


 Yup no chance of hillbilly heroin fun nickname for them on the street I have been informed err by a friend ;) You can only be given a 7day prescription here in the UK because they are so abused! Yet they can give me boxes of tramadol that is far wider abused here it's crazy but as I understand it not as bad as in certain parts of your country?


As Adam as said when nothing else works throw some tramadol at it usually works, the human is pushing it in my case ;)





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Yeah, I asked him if Oxycontin was going to be a problem to prescribe.  "Not for you," he said.  

I guess my condition is bad enough that he's pretty comfortable prescribing whatever I need.  Morphine, Oxycontin, Narco... it's all on the table.  Thing is, I don't like taking any of it.  

Also, I can walk away from any of it without any problem.  The only time I get withdrawal effects is when there's a pump malfunction and the Dilaudid quits going into my spinal fluid.  Then I get sick, sick, sick.  

And I can tell you, withdrawal, real withdrawal, is nothing like what they show on TV.  Yes, you sweat and are sick, but most of my time is spent on the toilet with copious amounts of something coming out both ends.  When I'm not having diarrhea I'm throwing up.  When there's nothing left to throw up, I just throw up stomach acid.  I can't keep anything down... nothing.  I have to dissolve morphine under my tongue because if I swallow the pill it comes right back up.  I really hate withdrawal.  

I'll ask my doctor about Tramadol.  Perhaps he can let me try it.  I would love to get off the Oxycontin and the Narco and be able to use something that didn't make me so sleepy.  

Texas is basically a Red state, totally conservative Republican.  I mean look at our senators, Ted Cruz for goodness sakes...  They don't come any more conservative than him.  He won by the skin of his teeth the last election by the use of attack ads against Beto O'Rourke.  I mean, he really pulled out the Karl Rove playbook.  He also had a LOT of corporate money helping him with that.  John Cornyn is our other senator.  Nuff said. 

One of the tenants of conservative political thought is "less government".  They seem to believe that unless it involves things like the LGBTQ community or women's rights.  (Got to keep them uppity folks down, ya know. They also like to interfere with things like voting rights and use gerrymandering as an art form.)  Other than that, they really do tend to stay out of the business of medicine, business, etc.  I would be a Republican from that standpoint if they would just be consistent and stay out of everyone's business, women and the LG... whatever community both.  But no, we can't have consistency.  Doesn't work that way.  Drives me nuts.  I could care less what someone's sexual preference is, and when it comes to abortion, I don't like it but it's simply NOT my decision.  I also believe the right to vote is universal for citizens and gerrymandering is simply... wrong.  But then, that's me.  I can't claim to think for anyone else.  

OK.  enough of that.  See?  You ask a simple question, Cyndy, and you get a whole diatribe of political BS.  LOL  

Oh, by the way, Jackie.  Late term abortions are a very, very small percentage of abortions and are carried out only when the woman's life is in danger.  Almost never happens.  I believe the last statistic I saw on that was it was less than a tenth of a percent of all abortions, and that's defining "late term" as anything past 12 weeks.  Those nightmare situations are even rarer, but I don't have a number on the actual frequency.  

Now, I don't know if almost never is too much or not.  I just think it's not my decision and it's not the government's responsibility to decide this for someone else. To me, that's just intrusive government.     

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Hi Bossman Dan,


Well ask about tramadol honestly I won't say I love the stuff but it works for me and Jackie. It for me doesn't make me sleepy but it does give very few people vivid bad dreams is the only nasty side effect I know of.


 Yes your right going through withdrawal is not fun I have only had it happen once due to a defect in my patches the stuff to make it go through the skin barrier wasn't added to a batch and well that was not fun sitting on the toilet with a bucket in my hands. I remember that car trip from hell it's only 10 minutes to our doctor lets say I was a state when I got there grunting in pain and throwing up and yes messing my self. 


 I believe he gave me a morphine injection and arranged new patches within 20 minutes I was back to semi-normal. So it demonstrates that we are not addicted to the drugs but to the relief it gives us from the pain. Hell if they offered the cannabis oil I would try that!


Yeh politics or the art of what will you give me to allow people to have the ability to live there lives with a bit of dignity and respect. Well as MLK said 'I have a dream...' Well it's so inconstant you can have male blue pills on insurance but denied Ladies pap smears and now some so Cristian insurance schemes are denying Trans people hormone and other treatments disgusting! 





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I tried hemp oil.  It's worthless as near as I can tell.  It did nothing for me.  Nada.  Zilch.  Zero.  Couldn't tell I even took any.  And I gave it a fair trial too.  I used it for two months, then stopped.  At $100 a bottle, it was expensive too; especially since the bottle only held like 60 doses or one month's worth if you take it twice a day.  I personally do NOT recommend Hemp oil.  Any benefits would probably be the placebo effect in my opinion.,  

Patches of Fentanyl aren't very effective for me.  I'm glad to hear they're working for you.  I never heard of a patch needing an ingredient to allow absorption though I suppose it makes sense.  

One of the problems with a large bureaucracy is that there are those occasional slips, like not paying for PAP smears, the most effective screening tool for uterine cancer.   Are they thinking that catching cancer later will make it cheaper to treat?  Never mind.  Rhetorical question.  

I think I'll pass on commenting on hormone treatment for transgender people.  I don't understand it and really should just stay out of the conversation until I get a better understanding.  On the face of it, I can see their thinking, especially if that hormone therapy is expensive.  Seems to me they're thinking only of dollars and cents though, and not what's best for the patient and that's just a bad precedent to set.  If they can do that to transgender people now, next week they'll be doing the same thing to you and me, saying it's just too expensive to let us use this therapy or that therapy. For that reason alone I consider their decision on this ill-advised at best, immoral and inhumane at worst.

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Hi Dan,


 Well I have heard good things from some fellow chronic pain patients and it's being trialled here in the UK so I was wondering out loud and well as I have publicly stated here before I will try voodoo if It will give me a bit more relief ;) So will wait and see on that one!


As for the patches I use a morphine based patch yes it's the biggest and only going to fentanyl if it gets any worse well we will wait and see what happens. I am copeing mostly at the moment, it's my mind that i am having issues with currently and were see what the good quacks jhave to say about that... The ingredient is something in shellfish shells,  so that's why some people are allergic to patches.


Ah, The story's go that certain 'Cristian' medical insurance companies sorry no names to hand are banning any hormone treatment to trans people. Worse is they also banned pap smears so they're happy for their ladies to die of cervical cancer because of some crap about only permicusis people get it. Where men can get viagra by the bucket load seems a little biased to me and so I mentioned it.





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You can see hemp that is a cousin to marijuana growing some farm fields around here. During WW2 farmers were encouraged to grow it to help the war effort. It was used to make rope. I see ads for hemp stuff. I got some lotion that had hemp in it. Think its just a fad though.

       Doctors are caught between a rock and a hard place when it comes to narcotics. They could lose their license if the "rules" aren't followed, We had a dr. here that is in jail..too many narcotics..drug addicted people were going to him. Abuse got him jailtime.

       I don't think I am the type of person that could get addicted. When I quit smoking I just threw the last cigarette in to the garbage. Had no cravings whatso ever. 

       I think Doctors started a lot of people to be addicted. Minor surgeries they were given narco..when a couple tylenol would do. 

     

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You're right, Jackie.  You don't have that type of personality that gets addicted.  If you could walk away from tobacco, you can walk away from anything.  I quit tobacco twice, and both times it was tough going and I don't consider myself as being an addictive type personality.  For some people, walking away from almost anything is just impossible.  I knew a girl who was like that.  When I met her she was clean.  But if she drank a beer or smoked a joint, she very quickly graduated back to shooting heroin.  And she was sneaky about it too.  I didn't catch on for months.  

On your last point, I've actually seen some sense come out of the political people.  They're saying instead of prescribing thirty pain pills after minor surgery, prescribe five or six pills, enough to get a person through the first day or so.  Then if he wants more, he's got to ask, and the doctor can check to see how bad the pain is before prescribing more.  That leaves it up to the doctor; but doesn't provide excess pills to get addicted with.  Makes sense and there's little of that out of the politicos.  LOL  

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Hi Dan and Jackie,


 I was talking about the cannabis oil, not the hemp stuff there currently in the Uk is several trials to see if it's effective in several conditions relating to the nervous systems and another regarding chronic pain. From what I have read and chatted to one recipient who is doing brilliant, I just hope they're not on just the sugar pills! It sounds very promising and a lot less bad for our already abused systems.


Dan, you were saying about they wanted doctors to check how bad the pain is but isn't that subjective and still open to abuse by manipulators? Because as far as I know there is no way of proving someone is really in pain? I am fascinated how the American system seems to shovel pills out in 1 place and denies it a few miles away, it must be maddening we call it a postcode lottery {so you can only win if you have the right one} here in the UK that sort of rubbish.


Jackie, I think I am a little like you when I make my mind up that's it I can out-stubborn a rock my wonderful mother's statement. but to survive and find ways of still enjoying life in chronic pain and not going to depression and not blaming anyone who does I think you need that will power to summon up as needed to get you through sometimes the next minute, an hour, a day etc. Don't you agree?


Sometimes I guess I am just fascinated and love to read how my friends here view the world and find new and interesting things within it. This weekend I made my self play in the forge despite really not wanting to and that helped a lot for a while. 





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James, you're right.  Pain is subjective.  The thing is that if someone called in and said they were still in a lot of pain a few days after surgery the doctor can decide if there's something he or she needs to look at to make sure all is well post op.  If they should normally be doing better and they're not, then there's a possibility something is wrong.  The idea is not to automatically give them more narcotics but to actually see them.  Then they can determine if more narcotics are needed, or if they need to do something more drastic like more surgery.  

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